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Chennai To Host Anand v Carlsen Match

  • SonofPearl
  • on 05/05/13 05:32.

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Eye-witnesses at the FIDE Presidential Board meeting in Baku, Azerbaijan (from 4-7 May 2013) say that Chennai, India has today been confirmed as the host city for the Anand v Carlsen match from 6-26 November 2013.

Magnus Carlsen and his advisors had been unhappy for the venue to be decided without any bidding process being undertaken, and recently issued a formal complaint about the matter. It seems that their complaint has either been ignored or dismissed.

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UPDATE: FIDE President Kirsan Illyumzhinov (centre) has confirmed the decision on twitter

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Picture via Ali Nihat Yazici on Twitter.

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  • 19 mesi fa

    vijaykulkarni

    Well said _valentin_, After all a game in India will cheer more than 1/5th population of the world that is counting only Indians

  • 19 mesi fa

    _valentin_

    bigbikefan:  I don't claim to read Ilyumzhinov's mind, but he's the current president of an organization and one thing that presidents always do is steer their organizations in a direction they believe in.  If that direction doesn't prove effective, presidents change after a while.  

    To be effective at the job, the president can't afford to follow rules at all times -- otherwise he'd be just a pawn (a clerk), not a visionary who can chart uncharted territories.  
    Rules are there for the stability of an organization, while the job of a leader is only partly about stability, but partly about new opportunities and new growth, which implies defying prior rules every once in a while, and being willing to take responsibility and even be unpopular for it.  

    If you look at history, most (if not all) visionaries in our civilization were rule-defiers, but eventually were proven to have had good instincts of vision.  I see that many people who posted on this forum got hung up on the technicalities of following rules, not realizing that there's more to it -- as if those rules were enshrined by who-knows-who.

    Ilyumzhinov has clearly shown through his actions over many years and on many levels that he is most interested in involving new players (including new countries, new ways of sponsorship, etc.) in the game -- and that he's willing to defy common sentiment in order to push in those directions.  Whether you call him a bold leader or a bully for this is a matter of perspective: both are correct to some degree.  The question is where it leads the organization in the long term.  We shall see when it becomes history; it may be too early to tell just yet.

    Lastly, it looks to me like you're looking at the choice of a venue from a money perspective predominantly, but given that both players and the president himself are multimillionaires, this is unlikely their top concern.  Other aspects play important roles in such international, multi-cultural, political decisions, and some of these factors and the tough negotiations around them we, as fans, don't get to know... for good or bad.

  • 19 mesi fa

    bigbikefan

    @_valentin_: Why anyone should care what that [post] Soviet imp Ilyumzhinov groundlessly and carelessly promised to Chennai for hosting the next match for the world chess championship? If a bidding process is defined for that matter, Ilyumzhinov should not be acting like he owns FIDE. Both, the Champion and the contender could be beneficiaries of that for a simple reason - a potentially higher prize pool.

    It is a noble idea to popularize chess in India by hosting this match. Unfortunately, chess, as a professional sports, is not popular enough in the world. Thus, it is really trivial to guess where such an event would get a greater world public exposure, if held, say, in Paris, or in Chennai. By "world public exposure" I mean "world sponsor exposure" of course.

    As to politisizing the debate, just the presence of a character like Ilyumzhinov makes any argument on the subject matter political to the bone, no matter how you look at it.

  • 19 mesi fa

    peregrine88

    @ojmik Thanks for correcting me on that part. Your right. :)

  • 19 mesi fa

    IndianHarry

    Carlsen please come out of dream your just a World Number 1 for time being, your not a World Champion. Learn from Anand how to be a World Champion, he never shows or didn't give wrong comments about the matches he played.

    1998 he played against Rested Karpov and lost the match but he didn't said any word about the match.

    He won the WC title in tournament format and he was ready to defend two times against Kramnik and Topalov with out any concern and he defended also successfully.

    Every one knows how he went for the match against Topalov.

    Topalov cannot beat a tired World Champion in his own den.

    I don't think Carlsen can beat Anand in WC matches.

  • 19 mesi fa

    TruePatzer

    Calrsen's disappointment with the way Chennai was decided to be the next WCC Venue can be read here.

  • 19 mesi fa

    SonofPearl

    @ valentin - I think this is the news article you mean: http://www.chess.com/news/fide-awards-anand-v-gelfand-match-to-moscow-1675

  • 19 mesi fa

    Chess_Lover11

    People who are afraid about safety of players, it can be noted that cricket being the most preferred sports in our country, people are crazy like anything, still whole lots of matches and players come and have fun from all round different nations without having a scratch.

  • 19 mesi fa

    fabelhaft

    "He berates all his opponents"

    Idiot.

  • 19 mesi fa

    sixtyfoursquares

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  • 19 mesi fa

    fabelhaft

    "it was stated that the 2012 match Anand-Gelfand is awarded to Moscow with the understanding that Chennai (the other bidder at the time) would get first choice for the next match, if they still desire so.  

    This can explain to a lot of readers on this forum what is really going on, as apparently they neither know the history, nor read about it (I posted an explanation of this in the comments for the previous article regarding the Carlsen proposal for a neutral venue, but no one seems to have read it).

    The point is: without this knowledge of history, the debate just gets politicized and polarized without an actual ground to stand on."

    What was stated was that "AICF would be given a first option of three months following the match in Moscow, to make a proposal"

    http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4007442/fide-awards-world-championship-match-to-moscow.aspx

    There was no bid in these months, it came first ten months after the match. So in this respect the mentioned option was no longer valid.

  • 19 mesi fa

    _valentin_

    SonofPearl:  Would you be able to dig out the article from a couple of years ago (I believe) where it was stated that the 2012 match Anand-Gelfand is awarded to Moscow with the understanding that Chennai (the other bidder at the time) would get first choice for the next match, if they still desire so.  

    This can explain to a lot of readers on this forum what is really going on, as apparently they neither know the history, nor read about it (I posted an explanation of this in the comments for the previous article regarding the Carlsen proposal for a neutral venue, but no one seems to have read it).

    The point is: without this knowledge of history, the debate just gets politicized and polarized without an actual ground to stand on.

    Thanks!

  • 19 mesi fa

    kd2013

    As long as the choice for the venue of the World Championship Match was selected based on standard procedures of the governing body, well I think it is fine.  Honestly, there are lots of better venues, so much better than this one. Cool

  • 19 mesi fa

    Paulzzz

    Chennai may be a tough location for Carlsen, just as for many others. But the chess world should not have kept silence about that. Now our hero will have to put up with it. And let us hope that Indian chess fans will not tear him into pieces.

  • 19 mesi fa

    steve_bute

    @offtherook ... Yes, the comparison is exactly to the Holocaust; Hitler started small, and went on to bigger and bigger things as his compatriots let the smaller ones pass. If you let corruption flourish in small ways, eventually it flourishes in big ways. Niemoller's point, made to provoke comparisons to the Holocaust, is that corruption makes gains whenever we ignore it and think "It's okay, it's not hurting me." What we fail to acknowledge is the implied "yet". So here and now, in chess's small part of human existence, we see the enemy. Should we let him pass? Say he's only doing a small evil and let it go?

  • 19 mesi fa

    ojmik

    @peregrine88 Carlsens team has never offered Norway as an alternative to Chennai, so there is nothing to not understand. ;)

  • 19 mesi fa

    Oraoradeki

    Booooooooooo

  • 19 mesi fa

    peregrine88

    steve_bute Amen to that point. I look at this stuff always happening with FIDE, and I can't help but remember Kasparov breaking away with the PCA. I'm not saying their perfect or anything, or can be, but this is another case to point at and say beaucratic toleterianism. 

  • 19 mesi fa

    peregrine88

    @vijaykulkarni I agree that the venue matters for Anand as well which is why he should have a say to the location as well. It's part of the reason why I don't understand Carlsen's team offering the alternative as Norway. But both players should have mutual agreement, or a compromise. I've never agreed with Topalov's conduct, however during and after his match with Kramnik. Spassky I think is the better example of a perfect gentleman. ;)

     

    @ResoluteRush Alekhine actually played Capablanca in Argentina, not Cuba. I see your point, though. But it was still a mutual agreement.

    I also wish to point out the fact that with the current playing format where the Challenger goes through a top level tournament to go to the finals shows that a handicap already exists for the challenger. Just another reason to show why a "neutral" site would be preferable.

  • 19 mesi fa

    GoatsRUs

    The real question is will Carlson be safe in India? It can be a weird country and anyone that ever visited will agree with that.

    BTW FIDE is totally corrupt and magnus should consider a seperate "World Championship" title..

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