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Scotch opening


  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #1

    Buster30

    Hey guys I just wanna know the proper way to play the scotch as I usually find myself stuck somewhere along the lines after Bc4, what should I do?

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #2

    Buster30

    Nf6*

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #3

    Scottrf

    The line I play can transpose to a variation of the Italian game. White clearly has other options though, e.g. e5 at some point.

    http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=77589518

    http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=76448522

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #4

    phinneas

    5. O-O

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #5

    Buster30

    Thanks but can you guys go over some of the main lines i may expect in a real game? Thanks!

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #6

    FreeCat

    This is the Scotch gambit, I think the usual line with 4. Nxd4 is better

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #7

    LikeTheLake

    Hey Buster30.  I normally play 5.O-O, which was suggested by Fischer ---read it somewhere---.  I also do go for for giving out the c pawn which results in very open games where, in my non expert opinion, subtle position of the bishops or Queens may prove instantaneously deadly.  I have also experienced that the endgame is not so good for White.  Cheers.

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #8

    EricSlusser

    Do some searches for the "Two Knights Defense." You've transposed to a position reachable through 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4. There's some exploration of lines on this page.

    http://tws27.50webs.com/chess/introduction.html

    Aside from your line, 4.Nxd4, 4.c3, and 4...Bc5 are popular choices you should either consider or be prepared for.

    If you play 5.O-O, there's a particular sequence of moves to know.



  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #9

    Fixing_A_Hole

    Scotch gambit is junk.  Just play the actual Scotch.  

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #10

    Charlotte

    great info Eric, much obliged, now i know where i was going wrong with my fav. gambit

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #11

    Buster30

    Yes thanks....... What is the different between the Scotch and Scotch gambit?

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #12

    Scottrf

    Buster30 wrote:

    Yes thanks....... What is the different between the Scotch and Scotch gambit?


    Scotch 4. Nxd4, Scotch Gambit 4. Bc4.

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #13

    rebelxx1313

    What are the lines for Ng5 here?  Obviously, it can work at our level, but I'm wondering if there is a legitimate way to play this at the higher levels.  I can't come up with a way that black isn't better with accurate play, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something, it feels so promising.

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #15

    rebelxx1313

    pfren wrote:
    rebelxx1313 wrote:

    What are the lines for Ng5 here?  Obviously, it can work at our level, but I'm wondering if there is a legitimate way to play this at the higher levels.  I can't come up with a way that black isn't better with accurate play, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something, it feels so promising.

    Which Ng5?

    White f knight to g5 in the gambit

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #16

    McHeath

    rebelxx1313 wrote:
    pfren wrote:
    rebelxx1313 wrote:

    What are the lines for Ng5 here? 

    Which Ng5?

    White f knight to g5 in the gambit

    You get a transposition to the Fried Liver attack, with the difference that Black has now only given up one pawn instead of two. So better to start off with the real thing if you want to play Nf5.

     



  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #18

    McHeath

    I stand corrected, thanks Pfren!

  • 13 mesi fa · Cita · #19

    Buster30

    Thanks!

  • 12 mesi fa · Cita · #20

    Portishead93

    I enjoy playing the Scotch Gambit, and have been playing it regularly since I read Lev Alburt's excellent book, Chess Openings for White, Explained, which includes it in its repertoire.  It's gotten me very good results out of the opening from the time I started playing it in 2008; OTB I've won 10, drawn 2, lost 4 with this opening against higher rated opposition with an average rating of 1921. Very little book preperation is needed to play it; it has good solid chances for white (unless you sharpen it up at some point with Ng5, which I have tried occasionally but seems rather risky against serious opposition).  Usually it transposes to the Italian or to the Four Knights variation; almost invariably the pawn gambit is temporary, so I don't know if it's a true "gambiteer" opening.  

     

    I must emphasise, though, that by no means is the Scotch Gambit better than the Scotch itself; in fact, it is perhaps objectively worse.  However, it is simpler to play, and arguably provides black with more ways to come out worse from the opening.  For example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.c3 dxc3 6.Bxf7+ is certainly at least a little better for white.  Black will lose the ability to castle, and without careful play falls behind in development with his king needing to move sometimes several times to become safe.  6...Kxf7 7.Qd5+ Ke8 8.Qxc5 cxb2 9.Bxb2 is dangerous for black.


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